This is the final video in our five-part series with 10% Happier on why meditation is easier and more awesome than you think. See the first video: Meditation for People Who Don’t Like to Meditate (Yet).

The Dalai Lama may seem like the last person in the world who would let you off the hook for being self-centered. So when ABC newsman Dan Harris asked the Dalai Lama about the connection between self-interest and success, he was shocked with his response. Press play below to see for yourself!

Not only is the Dalai Lama saying that “self-cherishing” is completely normal, but it’s actually a good thing. As we learn in this video from the 10% Happier: Meditation for Fidgety Skeptics app, there is a self-interested case for not being a jerk.

Interested in putting the right kind of self-interest to work for you and giving meditation a try? Check out this free five-minute guided meditation from the 10% Happier app.